When I lived in Hong Kong, I not only learned to adjust my vocabulary to British English, but also learned a slew of foreign words adopted into the English language there.
Like godown. It’s a Malay word for warehouse, preferably dock-side. And shroff, which comes from the Hindi/Urdu/Arabic word for money changer. Then there’s amah, a Portuguese word for wet nurse, which in Hong Kong translates into nanny. Breastfeeding isn’t involved.
When I think of godown, I think of the popular expat hangout in Hong Kong. In this 1972 tourist book, the Godown boasts that:
It is the first place in town which had European secretaries serving on tables and is really worth a visit.
I’m sure it was.
Rumor has it that the man in the bottom photo was the Godown’s owner, Bill Nash. Years later the Godown moved across the harbor to Hong Kong Island.
It’s a standard expat bar, and no longer a Chelsea-type restaurant with a concise, but first-class menu.
Just stumbled across this thread Mum (Carole) passed away in 2018 – she would be so happy to know the Godown days were remembered so fondly….
I am so glad you found this thread. Carole was truely loved by all who worked for her. I used to come over during my University holidays in NZ to work there. Three Christmas seasons all up. I remember one year Carole bought us all beautiful berets for Christmas. I still have mine! We all had such a great time working there, a really close team. I was there the year Madonna and Sean Penn came in for dinner with Bill. Shirley Basey also came in for dinner. Loved my time there.
So sad – so very sad. Carole was truly one of the ‘greats’.
Remembered ‘fondly’ does not do her justice. She and Bill Nash gave so much pleasure and happiness to us in the 70s and early 80s. I pray she rests in peace.
As a member of the Canadian Foreign Service I was posted to HK in the 1960’s and spent many an evening in the Godown.,knew Bill Nash and Carol(and her husband) well. I was on a Mandarin course and as Bill spoke Mandarin fluently spent many an evening practicing my rudimentary Mandarin with him.
Sorry to read of his and Carols death.
Barry Gubbins Irish Guards knew your Mum & Bill Nash very well in 1971, we were frequent visitors to Club Street – Great Venue!
It was because we were allowed three months during our final year of training to go anywhere in the world as long as we got the funding. I managed to get the British Army to fund me to work in the BMH in Wylie Do and so spent nearly every Wednesday evening in the Godown playing jazz.
On one memorable occasion just before Christmas 1972 Carol asked us if we would play a couple of spots on New Years Eve to which we all mumbled something about being busy/ going to parties/ celebrating with friends etc to which she responded that she would pay us all and provide food and drink all evening on the house!! Musicians with free drink all night – can you imagine?!! What a night that was!
I frequented the GoDown frequently during my four year posting as a Canadian Diplomat in Hong. Got to know Bill Nash the Manager Carol quit well. I know Bill is now deceased but not sure if Carol returned to the UK.
Met all sorts of interesting people at the GoDown. We Lived in the Mid Levels so could take the Peak Tram to the GoDown an a short Taxi Ride home.
I’m reading through my diary from 1982 and there’s mention of going to the Go Down, while I was staying with my school friend who lived in HK (and we’d just finished school and were visiting for 3 weeks). Googled to try to find the place and found this blog post. Great comments, thanks for sharing.
This is all very overwhelming to read! I was Godown waiter between 88 and 90 just as it moved into the Admiralty. Very sad to hear about Bill who was a true gentleman. Carole took me under her wing and even put me up in her home for a short while. The staff were brilliant, many happy memories with a few…. some of the celebs I served, Tim Rice, Pierce Brosnan, ( I got leathered at the bar with Alex Higgins and Jimmy White) Joan Collins only I served her all night (Armagnac, I recall) along with Bungalow Bill at the time. I worked 6 days both lunch and dinner, John the DJ and I enjoyed getting the regulars on the small dance floor, I remember an expat met his Chinese girlfriend every single work day, in the same booth next to Long Table (remember Long and Short Table!!!) and they had exactly the same food and drink everything. Fell in love with Joey the gorgeous lady cashier, fondly remember Gigi, Portia, Jojo and all the other staff, what a way for a young man to enjoy a couple of years in Hong Kong!
I spent many evenings at the Go Down during my posting to HK and when I visited four or five times a year. Knew Bill well as well as Carol who managed the place.
I lived in Manila for a few years in the early 90’s – I would fly into Hong Kong for weekend getaways that included AA meetings at the Godown. Fond memories of the place popped into my head this morning. A quick search found this page. I miss that place and those times.
Thank you so much for sharing your fond memories. I was also there in the early 90s and it was such a special time. It’s so great you got to go to the Godown!
I remember working at the godown 1979 with Gigi and pickles and Colin what wonderful memories I had if time would go back. Living in HK was the best time in my life been back many times
I worked for Bill and Carole at the Godown from around 1991-1993. I have many many fond memories of my days there and have now come to realise how lucky I was to have landed a job there. I met many larger than life personalities and some amazing characters during my time at the Godown. I was fortunate enough to learn about much of the history and the fame of the Godown and I was always completely impressed with how Bill and Carole seemed to just take everything in their stride. To me, they were the perfect host and hostess and I do miss them.
Stewart
Stewart, Do you know what ever became of Carole? I had never met Bill, but Carole and I met and became friends in 1982, when I was in Hong Kong with an extended stay show. I as well as others from the show frequented the Godown and spent a lot of time and money there. I was there on several occasions when military ships would be in and they would open the connected bar (appropriately named “The Zoo”) as their military only bar. Was there on a couple nights when huge fights broke out in The Zoo after sailors from different countries would find a reason to blow off steam on each other. Sadly, one such night resulted in a young man being stabbed to which he later in the hospital, died from his injuries. I had always wondered what became of Carole. She seemed to get along with her staff there and everyone Loved her.
I used to go to the Godown in the late ’70s and mid-’80s, often as an afternoon stop between classes, where I could waste time and do some work. Also used to play backgammon with one of the waiters.
I waited tables in early 1993 at the GoDown. Being a shy lad back then I didn’t quite click with Carroll Alan, the manager, and was sacked soon after the busy Sevens period had finished. But the experience was interesting – the differences between the Gweilos in for their pre Jo Bananas meal and the HK Chinese businessmen who used to write on the pristine white table cloths.
When I look at the images of this month’s protests pre-1997 HK looks a world away now.
Thank you so much for this memory! I’m especially heartbroken and nostalgic now for Hong Kong. I was also not very extroverted in Hong Kong back in the 90s and probably wouldn’t have lasted a night working at the Godown. Your image of roudy expats and local Chinese businessmen is priceless!
That is definitely Bill Nash in that photo. Having often wondered what became of him, I am so sad to read of his passing. I knew Bill in the 1970s when serving in Hong Kong with the 1st Bn Irish Guards and subsequently with the 1st Bn 2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles. My brother officers and I were frequent visitors to the Back Bar and we got to know him well. He was a great guy and was immensely popular with all of us. I have very fond memories of Hong Kong in those days and all the great guys and girls we got to know out there through the Godown.
I was stationed in Hong Kong 1970-72 with the RAF ( No 28 Squadron).One of my fondest memories is by being entertained by a rather large Maori gentleman whose signature song was “She take my money,and run to Venezuela”-in the Godown bistro , which was in a short alleyway off Chatham Road
Anyone remember this scene?
Thank you so much for your comment! This was before my time, but I love hearing about your memories of the Godown! That is so vivid!!!
See what happens when you google Godown!
I worked in the Godown in 1986 I think it was. Bill was a lovely man and gave me a job working tables and the front bar and in charge of the swinging bar doors as a doorman when all the expat spoilt brat kids used to attack in the summer holidays. There were wine barrels hanging from the ceiling in big netting down the back and it was a ritual for these guys to get smashed and climb over them. Carol (from Surrey) had barbed wire put through them. Unfortunately this did not deter! Lots of blood and tears.
The cut off ties hung from the lamp shade and there were some very interesting ones indeed.
I had just missed Madonna before I started. Bill showed me photos of him with her in the snow in China somewhere.
I had many friends there, one in particular was Portia but unfortunately we lost contact. Her surname started with a ‘G’ Goffey or something like that. I imagine she has married and goes by another name now. Anyone who knows anything, please pass it on.
The most amazing thing about the Godown was that it was as if it had frozen in time back in the 60’s. Oh! And not to forget James designer at Triumph International. He would enter most nights in his fur coat and demand a ‘screwdriver’ Heavy on the vodka, wave the orange juice over the top.
Then there was my first time a serving Cherries Jubalee. Just flick the flaming brandy on Carol said, it’s easy!
After the bar men put the table and customers out with the fire extinguishers, they got their meal free 😂
Normally we travelled from Kowloon to Lowu by train and then cleared into the PRC. Took another train to Kwangchow where we then flew by CAAC to Beijing.
During the four years in HK made the return journey from Beijiung to Lowu by rail. Had a little 35mm camera which with which I took memorable photos.
That must have been something with the Cultural Revolution going on. Did you know how bad it was when you went into China? I thought the trains had stopped going to Lowu at some point, but I guess by the early 70s the border was open again.
I arrived in HK in early January 1971.The worst excesses of the Cultural
Revolution had diminished by then.
I’m sorry to have to tell you all that Bill Nash died last Saturday afternoon [20 January 2018] in a London care home. He was still living in his flat in Chelsea when he celebrated his 90th birthday in October at a favourite local restaurant, but his health began to deteriorate and he was finally admitted to hospital just before Christmas.
Thank you so much for letting me know. This is very sad and I’m sure others will also feel this loss. I can inform some HK in the 60s FB groups. Thank you again.
Sorry to read about Bill Nash. When I was posted to HK during the early 1970’s spent more than a few evenings at the GoDown. Got to know Bill Nash who was an interesting man. He was a former Brit Army Officer and was a Mandarin speaker. As I and my colleagues used to frequently travel in and out of the PRC to Beijing used to practice my limited Mandarin with Bill. He was very interested in our travels into the PRC. So much so that I became convinced he was a Stringer for MI6.
Also recall Carol Allan.
That is so fascinating! When I first lived in Hong Kong in 1990, no one spoke Mandarin there but old KMT officers and antique dealers on Hollywood Road. I wish I’d known that about Bill Nash then. I think the Godown was still around in 1990. Your theory makes total sense. It would have been foolish of MI6 not to use him to get information. Who better to hear from people going in and out of Hong Kong.
Indeed. I was a Diplomat posted to the Canadian Commission Hong Kong from 1971 to 1975. During that time made nightynine trips in and out of Beijing. This was before air flights from HK to Beijing became a reality do every trip in and out was an adventure. Had the good fortune to be in Beijing when President Nixon visited.
I lived up on Bowen Road so the GoDown was my Local.
Very cool! My grandparents and uncle traveled to HK at lot during those years because my uncle worked for TWA and could fly for free. The first time I went to China was in 1988 and I flew through Canada on Canadian Pacific because no American carriers flew to Beijing or Shanghai. Did you take the train to Beijing mostly? Those were long rides!
Sorry to hear about Bill ‘s passing. David are you ex-Leo Burnett, HK? I was Mike Holbeche’s PA in early 70s and worked at the Godown too!
Hi Gina,
I’m sure you’re talking about the same David Perkins, and the same Mike Holbeche.
I remember you well, those were great days.
Maybe the whole thing is more serious these days, back then, alcohol wasn’t too badly regarded.
Did David ever reply?
Great days, Gina, I remember you fondly.
Barry Arnold
Hi David,
Can’t help but revisit HK in the 70s, great time to be alive.
Hope all is well with you, Lockhart Road has diminished greatly.
Best wishes,
Barry Arnold
I used to regularly visit the Godown from 82 to 87 on a Wednesday to enjoy the VJB. I lived in Singapore but we had an office in the Hopewell Centre do it was an easy choice. The drummer was Keith Vitty in those days and I bought an audio cassette of the band. The cassette is long gone but I wondered if there is any music I can get hold of from those days?
Alan
Our paths no doubt crossed as i frequented the GoDown between 84&87 whilst working at the Marine Police HQ TST. Take a look at the links http://jazzfromgeoff.blogspot.com/2015/06/this-week-at-hedsor-jazz-we-have.html
https://www.sandybrownjazz.co.uk/JazzRemembered/CliveBurton.html
https://issuu.com/fcchk/docs/1979-11 Page 16
I remember the GoDown very well as I played the piano with the Jazz band that played on the Wednesday evenings. I was there 1972-1973. On one famous occasion I was playing away, just vamping and minding my own business when I noticed a few familiar looking guys walk in and past me into the main part of the club and bar area. It was only when the last one came in with a great big Souzaphone round his neck that I realised it was the Temperance Seven who were playing at the Mandarin Hotel over the Christmas holiday period. One of them came out with the immortal line – ” Do you mind if we join in for a jam session?” The rest is history – one of the best nights fun and crazy jazz I can ever remember. Great bunch of guys.
Mike Parker (recently retired Professor of Surgery – then a medical student on secondment in Hong Kong for a few months)
Wish I had kept a picture of the GoDown and Carol Alan who was the manageress at the time.
This is a wonderful story! That’s so great you played jazz piano while you were in medical school and could train in Hong Kong for a few months!
I worked at The Star newspaper during 1975 and spent many nights hanging out at the Godown on Kowloon side. Does anyone remember the manager, Helen Birmingham? I’m trying to get in touch with her.
Cheers,
Hendrix
Thanks so much for your comment? Are you on Facebook? There’s a Hong Kong in the 60s page and people on that might know how to contact Helen. I hope you can find her!
Hi Susan
I will check out the fb page….thanks for the advice!
The man in the photo is Bill Nash. I worked as a waitress in the Go Down from 1978-1983, when not attending college back in the U.S. There was a pop band six days a week, and a jazz band on Wednesday nights in the main bistro, and there was a little hole-in-the-wall called “The Back Bar,” with a jute box. For two to three decades, it was one of the top places to go for expats, tourists and celebrities. So much fun! Bill Nash was a really nice man, spoke fluent Mandarin, and had lived in HK since WWII.
It is definitely Bill Nash in the photo. The Go Down Bistro was on Kowloon side, but the bar and night club, which was the real place to go, was always on Hong Kong side.
That is Bill Nash, he worked for ICI and made a lot of money on the HK stock market in the late sixties which he started the Godown with, I remember being there from 1970 to 73 Carroll Alan was the manageress. I was the first one to loose my tie and had it pined to the light shade above the main long table, many more were to follow. The small back bar was where we played darts. There were 2 regular British girls there one was called Lottie the other I forget. One of the great characters who was a regular called Alan Tweedi. I last called in to see Alan and Carroll in 1983. The early days were fantastic we used to race up to the peak hospital and back across the ferry to Kowloon and back to the Godown again via the ferry in our Triumph TR4A sometimes just for a bottle of wine. Cliff Richard was the first celebrity to come to the bar after his first HK concert I think it was 1972. Happy days indeed.
Jeff
Hello. Actually, I wish to correct you a little: Bill Nash did not work at ICI. His business partner, Norman Marsh was the one who worked at ICI and made a lot of money on the stock market!!! I was travelling the workedand worked as manageress at the GoDown for six months in 1970. They really were wonderful times indeed!!.